McLaren and Honda split expected this week

I agree.

Ricciardo came from 16th to 4th at Monza using a customer Renault engine.

its better then you think

Hardly down to the Renault PU though, innit? Red Bull's chassis isnt optimal this year, but they've certainly nailed the low downforce configuration. And looking at it, the Renault teams has on average retired more times from races due to PU reliability woes than McLaren.

kngrthr - I know right, just look at Toro Rosso and Renault, they are really setting the world ablaze. Like calle is saying, Renault power is not the most reliable, they are probably a little up on power compared to Honda, but they have been in F1 far longer, and it's frankly embarrassing that they have been so far behind in the PU era, especially considering that they've had six cars to gather data from the last two years, and four cars before that. Red Bulls success is mostly down to their chassis.

It's idiots like you who have brought down Mclaren from within, Honda has had plenty of time they are just a huge pile of incompetence after incompetence. Any engine other than Honda will be good for Mclaren. No one can be this dense unless you have an agenda to see Mclaren brought down for giggles and shit. You even suggest Mclaren let go of Alonso. While Alonso can be a diva many a time he is one of the Best out there who can take it to the likes of Vettel. Turd boy at Mercedes doesn't amount for much, Alonso already destroyed him in 2007 even with the entire Mclaren team going against Alonso.

So one of the worlds best drivers you want to see gone and also wanting Mclaren to be doing bad with a dog engine, hmm now who can benefit from something like that I wonder? Oh yes Mercedes and Turd shitboy. You must be a Hamilton fan. Figures.

You must be have had sleepless nights at every rumor that suggested Mercedes might take on Alonso a while back.

Oh dear. Had a bad day at the office?

Ah, McLarefan, you fill our hearts eith rainbows. :3

@CALLIE.ITW: Well what can say man, I aim to please B-)

@BARRON: Let's see now, nothing related to the subject matter, typical diversionary tactics detected. Seems like I hit the points hard and you don't have much in a way of a worthy rebuttal. Rekt confirmed.

Thing is dear: you say its bad that Honda hasnt gotten it straight in 3 years. I can agree that that is bad, but if you take a look on the French side of life, Le Renault 'as 'ad feaur yers tu complete zeir engine. And vere are zey? As of noi, onli toi suppliérs are gud, zi other toi, no.

@calle - agreed. Renault has only had 3rd place pace; and with one team. If that is what McLaren thinks is more competitive, then go for it.

It's hilarious and amusing at the same time you arm chair experts have crystal balls into 2018 and 2019 already. While in the real world Honda had 3 years and did jack diddly squat, that's what. There is no evidence to suggest Honda will do anything in 2018 similar to what was proclaimed in the prior years. Toro Rosso are well come to rot in a corner with these engines if it can help Mclaren get far better Renault engines.

@McLaren fan - thing is, goober, that McLaren has pooed all over Honda from the get go and has continued to sabotage their development, from ridiculous "size zero" and forcing Honda to change their architecture, to forcing to enter f1 earlier than Honda wanted, to changing oil supplier, to restricting supplying of teams and gathering data at 1/3 the rate other teams did. Add to that the at least 2 year head start other manufacturers has in developing their PUs and it's no wonder the deficit, sizzelchest. And to suggest no development, well, that is just a stupid comment because although Honda McLaren is still behind, the gap is closing. Look at the numbers. FIAs rules and McLaren have hindered Honda more than anything. So good luck with that Renault PU.

@FZRNIKO, thing is, you obviously have no clue about development on automotive side especially in racing. The chassis is designed around the engine. The engine homologation happened well in advance before Honda started their first year in F1 on their return. 'Size Zero' is pure marketing, there was nothing "zero" about it. Did you clowns expect a car with no bodywork and no side pods just because it was called "size zero"? LOL what an idiot you are, I mean really man grow some brain cells. FIA regulations are very tight on how much you can push. This is small window for every box in the regs, the box being the segment portion of a car in the development regs. The Box has both minimum and maximum size. Yeah not exactly size zero now is it? This size zero is as good as any 3rd rate commercial on TV. Really, you need to be very stupid to buy into all that marketing speak. There was nothing impressive about the chassis, it was a subpar chassis designed around a subpar engine. Engine developments directly impact the packaging and how much you tailor the front end and then the backend for the whole project. This is why if your engine is a turd your chassis is also a turd as a result. What Mclaren are confident about is that they have enough ideas to implement to make their car much better than it actually is at the moment. There is a reason why Alonso keeps saying he'd win races with the Mercedes engine. Sure he wont win races but he can actually put up a decent fight for podiums had they switched to a better engine before the season started because it directly impacts on their development process in the following races after race 1.

FIA rules have not hindered infact have been relaxed so much to the point that the Token system effectively scrapped to allow total development before the season 2017 and still Honda are upto their old excuses. the problem is not with Mclaren, FIA or F1 as it is at the moment, the problem is deep inside Honda back at home base. If they can't sort their shit out then they don't deserve to be in F1. The F1 division of Honda being an embarrassment to the rest of Honda is one thing but ruining the image of F1 is another and right now they are a disgrace to F1 and shouldn't be allowed to compete anymore. Toro Rosso must be getting some sizable cash compensations to take this turd off of Mclaren ROFLMAO. No one in their right minds will want to accept a crippling blow like that. I honestly expect Toro Rosso to accept common sense looking at the long term and say F***off to Honda and Mclaren. Mclaren will be stuck with Honda turds until the contract runs out or Honda voluntarily quits to end their misery.

The gap is closing? By 'closing' you mean retiring both cars on a regular basis due to various failures? The only reason why they are getting into Q3 sometimes is due to the engine changes and penalties that don't affect them anymore than meaningless 56 -64 grid penalties they incur at a race weekend. Honda are throwing money at the problem and nothing is changing. Zero progress.

Arm chair experts will advice Mclaren to stick with Honda, that's because its not their time or money being burned. When you learn to run a business you will know the pains.

McLaren fan are you a douche bag all the time or just sometimes? By the sound of it you must be like lead chassis design engineer with McLaren or are you just as your name suggests, just a fan? The latter no doubt. Wrap your tiny head around this, dumbshit, "size zero" played a huge role in the design of the PU. It was squeezed to limit space and the turbo was made smaller than they planned to accommodate the tight confinement.