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Reverse grid races would show F1 'failed to bring the field together' - Vettel

Published on 21 Sep 2020 15:55
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By: Coilin Higgins

Ferrari's Sebastian Vettel believes the possibility of F1 introducing reverse grid sprint races would show the sport was unable to come up with regulations that would make racing better.

The discussion of introducing the reverse grid sprint race format into F1 was re-ignited after Pierre Gasly's shock win at the recent Italian Grand Prix, a race which saw McLaren's Carlos Sainz finish second and Racing Point's Lance Stroll third.

Speaking about the possibility of introducing the format into the sport as a means to replicate the drama seen in Monza, Vettel feels it would be a bad decision for F1.

"I think it's completely wrong," Vettel told Crash.net

"If you are pushing in that direction it's a testimony that you have failed to come up with regulations and tools that bring the field more together and make racing better on track.

"I mean, a reminder, we had new front wing regulations which cost everybody a fortune, but ultimately haven't changed much in terms of racing.

"The hopes are on 2022, I guess, for the regulation changes but I think we need to fix that and address the main points, rather than try to play the lottery.

"I think it's just against the element of sport and competition, so as a competitor, I think as much as I don't like other people to win, I have to accept if other people win, or do a better job.

"Therefore, I think it would be wrong in the name of the sport to try and mix things up that way."

xoya

Posts: 583

No news on a GP weekend?
Are you guys all on holiday?

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Sep 26 2020 - 21:50

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Replies (108)

calle.itw

Posts: 8,527
yes... 's because they did.... They've tried every means possible to even stuf out, and failed every time.
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- Sep 21 2020 - 18:34
f1ski

Posts: 726
put a lower spending cap on MB . Let other teams spend more develop more. if they want parity it is easy to achieve
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- Sep 21 2020 - 21:33
- Pistonhead
  
  Posts: 556
  So the wrong decision. Penalising a winning team - are you serious? No, the only fair way to do this is bring in rule changes that all have to adhere to - it should always be about the team that does the best job. Remove Ferrari’s entry fee, that would be a better statement of intent. Restrict spending - they’re doing it. Let’s see how it pans out before damning the FIA.
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  Sep 22 2020 - 19:35
Snooky

Posts: 121
Doesn’t have to be a permanent thing, could just be used until the new regulations come in, possibly longer depending on how it works out
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- Sep 21 2020 - 22:19
Bilstar

Posts: 54
Vettel doesn't like it because he's lost the edge that would have let him thrive with that ruleset. In his Torro Rosso days, he'd have had your arm off for a reverse grid. Today he would be smashed because he doesn't belong there anymore.

Reverse grid races would be very entertaining and the call for them is a result of the failure, the utter, complete and sustained failure of the F1 powers that be to make a consistently interesting offer on their current rules.

I don't give a monkeys if its irregular or even if it "violates the sanctity of the sport" (oh vicar, please), it would be fun, it would be interesting. Do it. Try it.
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- Sep 22 2020 - 12:27
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  thing is, Vet would likely benefit from rev grid even now. quite literally all but merc and rb would.
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  Sep 22 2020 - 12:43
Norbert

Posts: 108
Sebastian Vettel shows his integrity. Even though he may get an advantage, he knows that it would be wrong. RB, for example, would have been falsely elevated to start first at Austria 2.

For Max and RBR to usurp the title there is only one team (Mercedes and Lewis) that they can’t pass on track. If Mercedes is forced to start behind them, then there is nothing standing in their way.

Many, many will dream of this, but too bad. RBR will have to build a faster car. There will be no cheat assist to kick the front runners in the balls and then crown a fake champion.
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- Sep 23 2020 - 08:16
RogerF1

Posts: 501
Seb is absolutely right but my worry now is the ‘big spending’ teams - Merc at the top - will already be pouring big money into the 2022 new designs before the spending cap, likely a lot, lot more than the middle rank teams whilst continuing to tweak the current car in parallel. No change in status quo under new regs IMO.
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- Sep 23 2020 - 19:00
calle.itw

Posts: 8,527
no news here for a while, is this site still living??
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- Sep 24 2020 - 14:56
xoya

Posts: 583
No news on a GP weekend?
Are you guys all on holiday?
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- Sep 26 2020 - 21:50
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  yeah, it's been 5 days since the last news piece on here.
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  Sep 27 2020 - 21:16
- essaouira311
  
  Posts: 158
  All dead. No one survived.
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  Sep 28 2020 - 20:12
- RogerF1
  
  Posts: 501
  Looks like we’ll have to start our own threads! So , as this is the ‘last posted’ GP Today story lets chat carry on.
  What do people think of the Hammy penalties for practice starts? For me, where he plonked his car at the end of the pit lane was short of suicidal and manically stupid, just waiting for someone exiting pits checking mirrors, read outs, settings, whatever to have smacked him right up the a**e and a big accident. Super licence points should stand. €25,000 for the team is loose change (even if it’s a cashless transaction).
  Any other topics?
  PS (for UK readers) Sainz “should have gone to Spec Savers”).
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  Sep 28 2020 - 20:48
- Dert38
  
  Posts: 377
  no way...
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  Sep 29 2020 - 01:30
- xoya
  
  Posts: 583
  Hopefully, this isn't the first sign of this portal shutting down.
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  Sep 29 2020 - 14:28
- greatbigdong
  
  Posts: 53
  The site shows the results of the most recent race, but no news! It means someone is updating the info, but whoever does the news is taking a holiday for now.
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  Oct 6 2020 - 07:25
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
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  Oct 14 2020 - 01:16
Dert38

Posts: 377
gp today <3 <3
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- Sep 26 2020 - 23:58
JuJuHound

Posts: 352
Whatever is happening with GPToday admins I hope it's not covid or not because Max is not winning
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- Sep 30 2020 - 09:11
RogerF1

Posts: 501
Maybe we start our own threads - onwards from here whilst site is still live? Tried this a couple of days ago but it didn’t get published (on this thread). Try again.
Was Hammy ‘bang today rights’ and where he parked his car was stupid for such an experience drivers and risked a big smack up and injury to someone?
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- Sep 30 2020 - 13:56
RogerF1

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Test, as my last two posts weren’t put up?
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- Sep 30 2020 - 13:59
- RogerF1
  
  Posts: 501
  Odd
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  Sep 30 2020 - 14:00
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  yeah, was the same with some of mine. :/
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  Sep 30 2020 - 14:29
xoya

Posts: 583
No news on GPtoday staff? :/
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- Oct 1 2020 - 01:30
- Manto02
  
  Posts: 93
  Does the website gptoday dot com has anything to do with this one? I discovered it now
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  Oct 2 2020 - 12:10
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  no, the two are afaik different sites. gptoday.net featured its' own articles, while .com seem to just be a mirror for other news.
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  Oct 13 2020 - 19:06
greatbigdong

Posts: 53
no news for well over a week? What is going on? I really liked this place for news. Anyone got any suggestions of other good sites for news if this one goes?
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- Oct 2 2020 - 10:36
RogerF1

Posts: 501
WOW! Honda announced pulling out of F1 at the end of 2021 season - Reuters, 2hrs ago.
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- Oct 2 2020 - 22:38
- RogerF1
  
  Posts: 501
  Nicely dodged McLaren
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  Oct 2 2020 - 22:39
- xoya
  
  Posts: 583
  It will be interesting to see what RBR does now.
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  Oct 3 2020 - 10:12
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  no! :(
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  Oct 3 2020 - 12:30
- Snooky
  
  Posts: 121
  They may have to take a Renault engine if no one new comes in and merc and Ferrari refuse which I see them doing so that’ll be interesting
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  Oct 3 2020 - 17:07
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  don't see anyone coming in before 2026. just no point putting so much money into a concept what'll be tossed out in 4-5 years.
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  Oct 3 2020 - 19:54
- essaouira311
  
  Posts: 158
  Only a few years left for F1 racing. Formula E is the only future.
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  Oct 3 2020 - 21:47
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  nah, FE is FE, F1 is F1. F1 will sooner or later adapt EV tech, but when they do they'll likely be leages above FE.
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  Oct 3 2020 - 21:55
- Norbert
  
  Posts: 108
  Calle.itw did call Honda win and success to the podium iirc. They got it and I saw grown-ass men cry. Perhaps because it has been a long and lonely time since the last Honda engine win.
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  Oct 5 2020 - 04:45
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  I did, I always trusted them to git gud sooner or later. And I too did shed a tear or two when they won.
  
  As for the reason for their departure: I can respect them wanting to focus on the (allegedly) greener, less constly options what is more consumer-friendly. Still think they should stay, F1 won't be the same for me without the glorious nippon empire, but it is what it is. Hope they'll return soon. If they join FE instead, I might have to start watching that "thing"... *shudders*
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  Oct 5 2020 - 09:37
- Pistonhead
  
  Posts: 556
  The pits. As if we didn't need reminding how wrong F1 had got the costs, agree with the comment below, cant see a new engine manufacturer join with the uncertainty - time for RBR to BUY the brains in and make their own engine I think, burned their bridges with Renault surely and Mercedes already turned them down twice I understand - what options do they have left realistically?
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  Oct 6 2020 - 19:41
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  Well, unless RB manage to make a deal with Ferrari or Merc, Renault Must give them PUs, since they have the fewest customers. Those are the current rules, and Renault cannot refuse.
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  Oct 7 2020 - 07:31
- RogerF1
  
  Posts: 501
  Interlagos is no more, a new Rio circuit in place of a forest. Hammy doesn’t like it, I don’t really but wasn’t it Inter’ that needed armed escort to go to/from the circuit? Plus, bit rich when you consider the thousands of gallons of aviation fuel to get the F1 circus to Brazil and back. Double standards?
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  Oct 8 2020 - 20:59
- RogerF1
  
  Posts: 501
  PS. Maybe if Hammy doesn’t like it, just don’t turn up? Likely ?
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  Oct 8 2020 - 21:01
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  it is, but it'll be the same regardless of track in Brazil. It just aint very safe there. As for Hammy: the grid's one true humanist already proved that he is willing to support slave built venues with his presence, so I doubt he'd do such a thing.
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  Oct 9 2020 - 05:55
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  new rumors imply RB could be set to buy Honda's PU rights and partner with Mugen to continue the project. Dunno how likely that is, but it'd be something, shame to just toss out a fine PU.
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  Oct 13 2020 - 20:24
Dert38

Posts: 377
mom see you my post
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- Oct 3 2020 - 17:58
- Dert38
  
  Posts: 377
  rip
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  Oct 9 2020 - 03:09
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 16:28
RogerF1

Posts: 501
Dropped a mail to the site ‘host’ - First Place Internet Media. See what comes back.
Any projections for Nurburgring anyone, 3rd place and beyond ;-)
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- Oct 5 2020 - 15:42
xoya

Posts: 583
Sooo...
Is GPtoday officially dead?
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- Oct 9 2020 - 08:49
- RogerF1
  
  Posts: 501
  Maybe. I sent a mail to the stakeholders First Place Media earlier in the week but no reply.
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  Oct 9 2020 - 08:58
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  I've also contacted a few people. radiosilence. :/
  + 2
  
  Oct 9 2020 - 10:41
- xoya
  
  Posts: 583
  Crap...
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  Oct 9 2020 - 13:14
- RogerF1
  
  Posts: 501
  I think we will all be surprised if the site comes back, so thanks to fellow contributors, there’s been some interesting threads, view points, technical input, etc. Crap day for the teams today but will hopefully mix things up a bit without the usual preparations and bring an interesting quali / race day. My closing comment on today’s press coverage is these drivers should not moan about being bored when they earn such humongous money.
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  Oct 9 2020 - 19:12
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  this site appear to be more or less dead. 've come to be quite fond of a lot of the folks here, so if you wanna keep in touch we could create a fb messenger group or something to discuss f1. :)
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  Oct 11 2020 - 14:56
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  seems to be done. anyone wanna keep in touch? :)
  + 2
  
  Oct 12 2020 - 09:17
- mcbhargav
  
  Posts: 1,332
  Calle. It was a pleasure interacting. Which other site do you guys frequent to?
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  Oct 13 2020 - 00:33
- mclarenfan1968
  
  Posts: 1,027
  Dutch section seems ok.
  
  That said the domain will expire in April of 2021. Usually business don't like to wait until the last minute to renew their domains. It maybe that they will renew it before the end of the year. Not sure what to make of it but the radio silence might mean something.
  
  It costs money to maintain a website like this. When social mediums like YouTube can actually help generate some revenue, most mediums are now going video based. People don't want to read their news, they like to have some recite it all to them laced with cringe jokes and pathetic memes. The new normal.
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  Oct 13 2020 - 07:43
- F1todayfan101
  
  Posts: 120
  This is a real shame. I liked the simplicity of this news feed. F
  + 3
  
  Oct 13 2020 - 13:59
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw I didnt had an account here before, but I have been here for a while and liked to see your comments, so if you don't mind, I would like to keep in touch. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 13 2020 - 18:39
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 13 2020 - 19:55
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  yeah, it was nice. liked the folks what used to comment here, too.
  + 2
  
  Oct 13 2020 - 20:00
- RogerF1
  
  Posts: 501
  Thanks to all (2nd attempt). Interesting viewpoints, threads, etc. Keep safe all, long live F1.
  + 3
  
  Oct 13 2020 - 21:40
- RogerF1
  
  Posts: 501
  Calle, I think you ended up as winner on 8,517. You must be Merc turbo powered :-)
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  Oct 13 2020 - 21:43
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 01:16
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  (10th attempt) calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
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  Oct 14 2020 - 01:17
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 01:17
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  well, nobody else, aside from maybe spambots, are likely to contest that sum now. XD
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 08:58
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 14:51
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 14:51
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 14:51
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 14:51
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 14:51
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 14:52
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 14:53
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 14:53
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 15:07
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 16:26
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 16:26
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 16:26
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 16:28
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 16:28
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 16:45
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 17:17
- mclarenfan1968
  
  Posts: 1,027
  Their domain expires 2021 April
  + 2
  
  Oct 14 2020 - 18:52
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 16 2020 - 12:03
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 16 2020 - 12:04
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 16 2020 - 12:05
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 17 2020 - 17:49
- mesa2010
  
  Posts: 43
  calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
  + 2
  
  Oct 17 2020 - 17:49
ianf1

Posts: 185
The Dutch language version of the site still looks like it's being updated
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- Oct 12 2020 - 21:59
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 13 2020 - 19:55
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 14 2020 - 16:26
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 14 2020 - 16:27
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 14 2020 - 16:27
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 14 2020 - 16:28
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 14 2020 - 16:29
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 14 2020 - 16:29
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 14 2020 - 16:45
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 14 2020 - 17:17
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 14 2020 - 17:17
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 16 2020 - 12:04
mesa2010

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calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
- + 2
- Oct 16 2020 - 12:04
mesa2010

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calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
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- Oct 16 2020 - 12:05
Kevin

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How to ruin your website, part 52.
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- Oct 17 2020 - 09:12
mesa2010

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calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
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- Oct 17 2020 - 17:49
mesa2010

Posts: 43
calle.itw, I didnt have an account here, but I have been watching the news here for a while and I appreciated your comments so if you don't mind I would like to keep in touch with you. how can we do that?
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- Oct 17 2020 - 17:49
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  look me up on Fbook, Calle. Nilsson2. :)
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  Oct 22 2020 - 12:47
- greatbigdong
  
  Posts: 53
  calle - I think you have a stalker! lol
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  Nov 4 2020 - 23:54
Dert38

Posts: 377
LMFAO
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- Oct 20 2020 - 10:52