De Formule 1-bazen van negen renstallen hebben via een poll van Autosport hun stem uitgebracht op wie de beste coureur van 2021 was. Uit deze peiling kwam Max Verstappen als winnaar uit de bus met 188 punten, gevolgd door Lewis Hamilton met 174. Met een zeer sterke eerste seizoenshelft, werd McLaren-coureur Lando Norris derde in deze rangschikking. In 2020 won Hamilton deze verkiezing boven Verstappen.
Elke teambaas gaf in het geheim een top tien door met daarbij dezelfde puntenverdeling als bij een Grand Prix (25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1). Ook is niet bekend welke teambaas wel of niet hebben gestemd.
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Login om te reagerenKevin
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Het schijnt dat Perez als nummer 2 uit de bus kwam. En ik hoor geluiden dat alleen Christian Horner gestemd heeft ;)
terazino
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Ik vond Norris redelijk kleurloos, dan had ik Sainz op 3 gezet
Rode Stier 33
Posts: 773
Eerste helft van het seizoen niet! Maar was het na Sochi wel even helemaal kwijt!
RichardvBoven
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Norris was zeker in het begin goed, tweede seizoenshelft veel pech en domme fout gemaakt in Sochi door zijn team te negeren. Mijn top 5 was ook Max, Lewis, Norris, Sainz, Leclerc of Gasly.
nr 76
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Richard, ik vond het team van mcLaren wel zwak op dat moment, ze lieten de keuze aan Lando, terwijl ze zelf het weerbericht op alle schermen hebben staan.
Hamilton wilds bijvoorbeeld ook niet pitten, maar Bono sommeerde hem gewoon om binnen te komen.
RichardvBoven
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Hamilton ging naar binnen omdat Max naar binnen was geweest. Dit heeft Mercedes in hun “after race q&a” aangegeven. Toen Bono aan had gegeven dat Max wel was gepit is Hamilton ook naar binnen gegaan.
F1FAN76
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Mijn top 10
1 Verstappen
2 Hamilton
3 Sainz
4 Gasly
5 Alonso
6 Norris
7 Leclerc
8 Russell
9 Bottas
10 Ocon
hupholland
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Verstappen
Norris
Russell
Sainz
Hamilton
Gasly
Leclerc
Alonso
Ocon
Vettel
Redcarsmatter
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@hupholland Russell op 3? Lewis op 5? Vreemd, desalniettemin OK.
Joeppp
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1: Verstappen
2: Hamilton
3: De rest reed dit jaar in het bijprogramma. Maar ik vond Sainz heel sterk en Ricciardo de grootste tegenvaller.
hupholland
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Russell heeft Hamilton 2x out qualified in een Williams. Hamilton ging de laatste races als de brandweer en andere coureurs zijn wat weggezakt, dus misschien zou ik naar P2 kunnen, maar toch hou ik het hier op. De eerste 15 races waren ook belangrijk en daar heeft Hamilton best veel laten liggen terwijl Norris en Russell juist uitblonken. Je bent zo goed als je laatste race, maar in dit geval moet je het hele seizoen in acht nemen. Dat valt voor velen niet mee.
Redcarsmatter
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Je neemt Lewis als referentie voor hun prestaties. Dat vind ik geen valabel argument.
snailer
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Mijn top 3:
1 Verstappen
2 Latifi
3 Hamilton
(.... Sorrie. Kon het niet laten ...)
hupholland
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@redcars: niet persé, maar jij vraagt waarom Russell boven Hamilton staat. Russell was geweldig bezig, na de aankondiging dat ie weg zou gaan kwam Latifi wat meer in de buurt. Ik vertrouw dat niet helemaal en beoordeel daarom Russell vooral op wat ie t/m België liet zien. Norris was t/m Rusland briljant. En Sainz kan het iedereen lastig maken.
Redcarsmatter
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@hupholland Nou ja, ik begrijp de verwarring maar zo bedoelde ik het niet. Ik vroeg eigenlijk echt wel om de plaatsen van die twee te verklaren, los van elkaar. Ik zou Russel amper in de top tien gezet hebben. Lewis sowieso tweede. Sainz ook boven Norris; het dipje van die laatste ging net iets te diep. Alonso ook voor Gasly wegens beste comeback als een echte teamspeler (hetgeen we van hem niet gewoon zijn). Maar lijstjes zijn altijd lastig. Iedereen gebruikt zijn eigen criteria. Ik vond die van jou best opmerkelijk, vandaar...
Emile Henebiens
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@Joeppp. Ik kan me redelijk vinden in je conclusie. Want heel zwart-wit is dat eigenlijk ook wel een beetje zo. Al moet ik zeggen dat de gevechten in het middenveld af en toe ook zeer vermakelijk waren om te kijken. Maar zowel Verstappen als Hamilton stonden dit jaar op eenzame hoogte. En omdat Hamilton redelijk wat fouten heeft gemaakt in het begin van het seizoen, is de nummer 1 en 2 ook duidelijk. Plaats 3 zou dan eigenlijk leeg mogen blijven om dat duidelijk te maken.
Maar voor plek 4 en verder zou ik naast Sainz ook Norris willen toevoegen, zijn eerste deel van het seizoen was hartstikke goed, Maar ik denk dat Rusland toch iets mentaals met hem heeft gedaan. En ik denk dat McLaren de auto ook niet meer heeft doorontwikkeld, wat dit nog meer onderstreepte. En ook Gasly mag hierbij worden genoemd, hij heeft het gehele jaar door een hoog niveau laten zien en geen domme dingen gedaan. Maar ook Alonso (na een wat moeizame start) en Ocon hebben het prima gedaan.
Voor mij zijn de tegenvallers Ricciardo, Vettel, Tsunoda en Leclerc. Die hadden echt wel een tandje mogen bijzetten. Dit seizoen vielen ze echt enorm voor mij.
Räikkönen, Russell en Stroll zijn voor mij neutraal. Niet veel bijzonders gezien, maar ook geen sprake van een teleurstelling.
Van Giovinazzi, Latifi, Schumacher en Mazepin verwachtte ik al niet veel, dus hebben niet per se teleurgesteld.
Voor mij wordt het dan:
1. Verstappen
2. Hamilton
3. ....
4. Sainz
5. Gasly
6. Norris
7. Alonso
8. Bottas
9. Ocon
10. Perez
MustFeed
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1. Verstappen
2. Norris
3. Hamilton
4. Leclerc
5. Sainz
6. Russell
7. Gasly
8. Alonso
9. Perez
10. Ocon
11. Ricciardo
12. Vettel
13. Bottas
14. Stroll
15. Raikkonen
16. Tsunoda
17. Mick Schumacher
18. Giovinazzi
19. Latifi
20. Mazepin
hupholland
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@redcars: als je gaat rangschikken ontkom je er niet aan om coureurs tegen elkaar af te zetten. Zelf vind ik de eerste seizoenshelft representatiever dan de 2e. Haas gaf voor het seizoen al aan de auto niet meer te ontwikkelen ivm met de nieuwe regels in 2022 en zo zag je in de loop van het jaar meer teams en coureurs wat wegzakken. Terwijl Mercedes op het einde weer voorzichtig richting de bekende dominantie ging. Ja, toen kon Lewis het ineens wel weer. Daarvoor werd hij te vaak afgetroefd door mannen waar hij eigenlijk simpel van zou moeten winnen. En nogmaals, voor Lewis op P2 valt ook wat te zeggen.
hupholland
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mustfeed zn lijstje kan ik me ook prima in vinden. De nummer 1 en nummer 20 zal denk ik sowieso weinig twijfel over zijn. Daar tussenin zit het soms heel dicht op elkaar en dan ligt het er maar net aan waar je naar wilt kijken.
hupholland
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f1-analysis(punt)com
18) Yuki Tsunoda, 52%
Tsunoda is not only the lowest ranked driver, but he has been so (by a reasonable margin) for almost the entire season. After initially impressing (Ross Brawn called him “the best rookie in years” after his debut) Yuki struggled to keep pace with Gasly, both in qualifying and race trim. Whilst he may be considered lucky to be kept on another year, Red Bull typically give drivers 2 years despite their ruthless reputation. Improvements in qualifying towards the end of the season were encouraging, and his fantastic 4th place in the season finale may serve as a springboard going into 2022. However, the fact remains that Gasly ended up with more than twice as many points finishes and three times as many points. There’s no doubt that Tusnoda will need to find further improvements to stay on beyond 2022, particularly as backers Honda are pulling out of the sport.
17) Antonio Giovanazzi, 56%
Giovanazzi’s season had some highlights (particularly in qualifying), but the results were not strong enough to save his drive. At points his form seemed erratic, qualifying 7th and 10th in the Dutch and Italian GPs before lining up 18th on the grid in the next 2 races. Of course this was mostly a trait of the season, with Russell suffering a similar fate at times, but it does undoubtedly make it tricky to rate his performances
Race finishes as a whole were similar to Räikkönen’s, which the model doesn’t consider particularly impressive considering Kimi’s age. Furthermore Kimi landed the bigger results, which is the reason Antonio ended in the disappointing C Tier. Whilst he is clearly good enough for F1, that isn’t always enough in this sport given that there are probably at least 25 drivers that fit that category at any given time. The fact that he was not selected, or even seriously considered, for a Ferrari drive last year when one became available speaks volumes about his ultimate potential, and no one can say that he wasn’t at least given a fair opportunity.
B Tier
16) Kimi Räikkönen , 64%
Kimi’s final year can be considered a success given that he easily outscored his teammate despite missing 2 races. He was much closer to teammate Giovanazzi than the 10-3 score in his favour suggests, with a pair of 8th places elevating his standings considerably. The model partially corrects for his by giving credit for non-points finishes, as well as accounting for the ease in which a driver can rack up a high percentage of a. teams points in an uncompetitive car. Whilst Kimi failed to go out on a high in Abu Dhabi, his performances over the year were perfectly respectable.
15) Valtteri Bottas, 67%
This year was a good demonstration of Bottas’ strengths and weaknesses. His qualifying performances have remained impeccable, which is probably what kept him in the team for so long. He actually holds the record for most poles without a championship win. (The contrast to Red Bull regularly switching drivers due to qualifying underperformance is not a coincidence.) However, he has been much less impressive at recovery drivers and general race pace. Overall his results have been consistently adequate, with more 3rd places than any other driver. The low ranking at the start of the season was mostly due to DNFs (at Monaco and Imola), but subsequently recovered to about the level expected of him.
14) Sergio Pérez, 70%
Pérez was hired by Red Bull after a long deliberation during 2020, and the results were mixed. The model thinks that Pérez is a slightly stronger driver than either Albon or Gasly, but also concludes that either would have been able to rank up as many points as him in 2021 due to a disappointing year.
There’s a perception that Pérez improved as the year progressed, but that certainly isn’t shown in the points: He scored 36% of Red Bull’s points before the summer break and just 29% afterwards. Pérez’s ranking ahead of Bottas may raise a few eyebrows given that Bottas easily outscored him. It comes from the fact that the Red Bull driver has had a slightly stronger career thus far compared to his Mercedes equivalent. The model also concludes that the Mercedes was the better car/team over the course of the year, which makes Pérez lack of consistently strong results more forgivable.
13) Lance Stroll, 74%
This is considered to be Stroll’s strongest year yet. I don’t think many people would predict that he would be within 10 points of Vettel at the end of the year. A review at the summer break (written before Vettel’s unfortunate penalty) suggested that Stroll was perhaps more consistent than Vettel but with a lower peak, and this is still a reasonable summary of their results across the season. Stroll still ended the year with more points finishes (9 vs 7), but a significantly worse best result (6th vs 2nd). Despite (somewhat justified) accusations of only keeping his seat due to his personal relationship with the team, Stroll continues to demonstrate that he is indeed F1 worthy.
12) Nicholas Latifi, 75%
The 2020 season the model considered Latifi to be a stronger driver than Russell due to his surprisingly better race results that year. Given the lack of data and lack of a competitive package, it was a tentative conclusion, which has corrected itself in 5e 2nd half of this year. Two points finishes for Latifi can be considered a successful season given where Williams were before the year started. However, Latifi actually had the same number of top 11 finishes as last year, despite several more races and a better car. Qualifying continued to be a major issue, only narrowly avoiding a clean sweep of defeats against Russell. A hangover from 2020 probably means that Latifi is still rated a little high, and the challenge of Albon next year will be fascinating to see.
A Tier
11) Sebastian Vettel, 79%
Vettel has fallen from his 7th place last year, despite the general perception that his performances have improved. After being hired by Aston Martin to lead them into a new era, any disappointment at their slide from the front to the back of the midfield has been well hidden. The model thinks that Vettel significantly underperformed in 2021 (as in 2020), with several points scoring opportunities coming to naught. The most notable was of course Hungary, a race which showed, if any proof was needed, that Vettel can still perform at a high level when the car allows.
10) Pierre Gasly, 82%
Whilst Gasly’s performances are effectively locked in for the year given his rookie teammate, his rating has been steadily rising throughout the year. This is because his poor 2019 performance (and therefore overall career performance) seems considerably more forgivable given Pérez’s struggles versus Verstappen. Gasly’s performances have been hard to read at times, but he ended the year with his highest ever points total.
9) Esteban Ocon, 84%
It may be hard to recall so far back, but Ocon’s performances at the start of the season were impressive. In the first 5 races he scored 4 times, and had over double the points of his teammate Alonso. Alpine renewed his contract around this time, only for his form to slump for a few races. He returned to the points, then earnt a fantastic first victory in Hungary, holding back Sebastian Vettel for much of the race. Overall, he was outpaced and outscored by Alonso in the last two-thirds of the season, and amazingly his fortunate (but well earnt) victory his only top 6 finish of the year. Despite this, the model considers 2021 to be his strongest year to date.
8) Fernando Alonso, 87%
After a quiet start to the year, Alonso became a beacon of consistency, with more points finishes than teammate Ocon. The podium in Qatar was well earnt, despite some good fortune with his starting position, and he has also shown some feisty defensive driving without ever clearly going over the limit.
Before the start of the season the model didn’t factor in Alonso’s age or the fact he was returning after a gap, and thought that this match up would be very one-sided, but factorising these into the equation leaves the model thinking Alonso only slightly underperformed compared to where he should be. The effect of these additional factors should not be underestimated- Schumacher’s return for Mercedes struggled for exactly those reasons. Next year Alonso doesn’t have the excuse of returning to the sport, but is a further year older, meaning any breakthrough into the top 5 drivers of the year is probably unlikely.
7) George Russell, 87%
Four points finishes, including a second place in Belgium, suggest a big step up for Russell and Williams in general. Of course his efforts in Spa were aided by a 2 lap “race” with no overtaking, but George still deserves immense credit for putting the car on the 2nd row. The Williams car seemed especially effective in the wet, with Hungary, Belgium and Russia all proving fruitful. At Mercedes he will be expected to be more consistent in results, although in return Russell will expect the car to deliver those results. The smart money is still on Lewis Hamilton winning that particular intrateam battle, but it will be great to nail down Russell’s level with such an established benchmark.
6)Daniel Ricciardo, 92%
Ricciardo very much had a season of two halves, and he was down in 15th place at the Summer Break. The improvement was partly due to the model realising just how good his teammate is (both due to Norris’ own performances and Sainz’s at Ferrari), but also due to Daniel improving over time. At the summer break, he’d scored just 44% of Norris’ points, but he returned to outscore Norris from then on. Ricciardo managed fairly consistent points finishes throughout the season and a historic win at Monza (McLaren’s first triumph in almost a decade) was well deserved. Norris vs Ricciardo will be another teammate battle to keep an eye on in 2022.
S Tier
The model thinks that there were 5 drivers delivering very strong performances this year. Whilst this is partially a consequence of the grid getting stronger over time, it really is unprecedented to have so many drivers being ranked so highly. The rankings 5th through to 2nd are also incredibly close.
5) Charles Leclerc, 106%
Given that the model expected Leclerc to easily outscore Sainz, his slim deficit at the season’s end could be interpreted as a poor season for the Monacan driver. However, the closeness of the battle was predicted before the start of the year, and can be explained by both Leclerc being slightly overrated due to the strength of his 2020 campaign (which was discussed in the 2021 predictions here) and the fact that the Sainz/Norris pairing at McLaren was underrated by the model. Leclerc did at least enjoy a step up in car performance from 2020, with 2 pole positions and a near victory at Silverstone. However, his single podium (fewer than in 2020) suggests that he didn’t always take advantage of opportunities throughout the season, with the non-start in Monaco being an obvious example. It serves as a demonstration of his talent that the model considers the season to be slightly underwhelming in terms of results, but he is still considered to be the 5th best driver, and just a whisker away from a top 2 spot.
4) Lewis Hamilton, 107%
Hamilton’s season didn’t quite have the consistency of some of his Mercedes years, but did feature some of his strongest drives against stiff opposition. Mistakes included sliding into the gravel at Imola, hitting the Magic button at Azerbaijan (although Lewis blames this one more on a design feature) and playing his part in Verstappen’s Silverstone crash. He also failed to get his tyres working properly at Monaco, his only weekend when he was truly off the pace. However, he had more than his fair share of victories, with Bahrain, Spain and an epic couple of drives in Brazil from the back of the field being among the highlights. There’s much discussion on the numerous collisions and near collisions of Hamilton and Verstappen throughout the year, but out of the two drivers Hamilton’s approach seemed the more nuanced, particularly as the season went on. Overall the model thinks that this season wasn’t his absolute peak, but he wasn’t far off either, and Hamilton would have been a worthy champion.
3) Carlos Sainz, 107%
The hierarchy of F1 drivers is ever evolving, but Sainz demonstrated this season that he is good enough to fight with the best. The season long battle with Leclerc was fascinating to watch, and a timely reminder that rivalries do not have to spill over into regular collisions and bitter words. Although he’s still waiting for his first victory, his reputation as a points accumulator is as secure as ever, and he recently earnt the dubious honour of being the highest scoring driver ever without a win. Should he continue with this form for Ferrari he’ll surely break his duck sooner or later. The general suspicion among many F1 pundits (and seemingly Ferrari themselves) is that Leclerc will still be the number one driver if and when the car comes together, and the model agrees with this assessment, even as Sainz’s rating rose throughout the year. The message from 2021 is clear though: Carlos Sainz should not be underestimated.
2) Lando Norris, 108%
Norris showed potential in his first two seasons of F1, but emerged as an absolute sensation this year. In the opening half of the year he thoroughly drubbed Daniel Ricciardo, and was also ahead of both Pérez and Bottas in the standings despite a clearly inferior car. There seems to be a perception that his form dipped towards the end of the year, but the drop in results is probably more aptly explained by a combination of McLaren’s declining form, Ricciardo improving over time and a combination of bad luck and team issues. He ended the season with 10 consecutive points finishes, something matched by only Carlos Sainz, and his 3rd place in qualifying for the final race confirmed that the pace was still there. His 2 big missed opportunities of the year came at Belgium (crashing in qualifying) and Russia (infamously trying to stick it out on slick tyres on a wet track). His Belgium crash was unfortunate, but he surely would have recovered to score points, if not more, had a race actually taken place. In Russia his first victory was cruelly snatched away by late rain, but most of the blame must be placed on his team for not calling him in. Overall it he scored more points, podiums and poles than in his previous 2 seasons combined, despite McLaren falling from 3rd to 4th place in the constructors championship. All that was missing was a first victory.
1) Max Verstappen, 132%
A champions season; Verstappen only once finished a race out of the top 2 (in Hungary after sustaining significant damage at the start). He also thrashed new teammate Pérez (see graph and analysis below). Going into the season, the model thought Max would score 64% of the team’s points, but ended up with 67.5%. Whilst this difference seems small, it actually makes the difference between him winning the title and being 2 full race wins behind Lewis.
The only potential negative came from his non-compromising driving style at several flashpoints with title rival Hamilton during the season. Overall, Verstappen was probably a net loser in terms of championship points (due to losing at least a podium at Silverstone), and it will be interesting to see if he adapts his style as he further matures. Nevertheless, the model considers his season as a whole to be beyond exceptional, and possibly one of the greatest seasons ever.
Was Verstappen’s season really that good?
Verstappen’s 2021 season is currently rated stronger than any season by Hamilton, Alonso, Schumacher or Senna. At this point it’s important to reflect on what exactly is being assessed: it’s comparing results versus his teammate (taking into account how strong the 2 drivers have been over their careers), and by any metric Max has done incredibly well vs Pérez.
Pepe
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1 ver
2 ham
3 sai
4 gas
5 nor
6 rus
7 lec
8 alo
9 per
10 bot
SennaS
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1. Masi
De rest is bijzaak ;-)
Modest71
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Eieren
Bakboter
Pinda's
Kelly
Nasi groente
Spekblokjes
Theelichtjes
--vul ik nog aan-
Dank!
PallMall
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Ik ga mee met het lijstje van Snailer.
@Mustfeed, leclerc boven Sainz?
MustFeed
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@PallMall
Ik vond dat Sainz en Leclerc heel dicht bij elkaar zaten. Maar uiteindelijk heeft Leclerc ook iets meer pech gehad dan Sainz. Tuurlijk was Monaco kwalificatie zijn eigen fout, maar dat hij de race niet kon starten was dan ook wel weer een beetje pech. In Hongarije werd Leclerc uit de race gekegeld door Stroll en in Rusland was Leclerc echt een stuk sneller dan Sainz, moest achteraan starten, maar had Sainz zelfs net ingehaald in de ronde dat Sainz al had besloten om binnen te komen voor intermediates. Omdat Leclerc toen niet binnen kon komen liep het daarna ook voor Leclerc helemaal mis. In die 3 races pakte Sainz 48 punten en Leclerc 0 punten.
Over het hele seizoen gezien stond Leclerc vaker voor Sainz dan andersom (14-6 in races en 13-9 in kwalificatie)
Uiteraard snap ik ook als mensen Sainz boven Leclerc plaatsen.
hupholland
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5x25 + 1x18 + 3x 15 ?? en Hamilton: 3x25 + 3x 18 + 3x15 ? Zelf zou ik misschien toch Norris op 2 zetten. Russell iets hoger, Alonso iets lager en Bottas mag de top 10 uit en Vettel met 2x een 2e plaats en 2x een mooie P5 mag zou er met de hakken over de sloot net in mogen.
Evert van der Pick
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"De Formule 1-bazen van negen renstallen hebben via een poll hun stem uitgebracht ....niet bekend welke teambaas wel of niet hebben gestemd."
Uhmmm, 10 teams, dus 10 teambazen.
9 teams hebben een stem uitgebracht, dus ik denk dat ik die ene teambaas die niet meedeed wel kan invullen!
F1FAN76
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Binotto deed niet mee. Doet hij volgens mij nooit.
Evert van der Pick
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Echt?!
Oh, ik dacht zelf aan Günther Steiner.
Larry Perkins
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Het AaaDee bevestigt wat @F1fan76 meldt,
De uitslag onder de top twee ( uit dezelfde krant):
“De Brit Lando Norris, de rijzende ster van McLaren, eindigde in de verkiezing als derde met 100 punten. De Spanjaard Carlos Sainz (Ferrari) werd vierde en diens landgenoot Fernando Alonso (Alpine) vijfde. Sergio Pérez, de Mexicaanse teamgenoot van Verstappen bij Red Bull, haalde de top 10 niet. De Fin Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes), de nummer 3 in het WK, kwam met 43 punten uit op de negende plaats.”
Larry Perkins
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1. Verstappen 188 punten
2. Hamilton 174 punten
3. Norris 100 punten
4. Sainz 70 punten
5. Alonso 63 punten
6. Leclerc 58 punten
7. Gasly 56 punten
8. Russell met dubbel l 44 punten
9. Bottas 43 punten
10. Ocon 41 punten
sailor
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Ach , die lijstjes hebben weinig waarde , je zult nooit zien dat van al die lijsten 2 lijstjes hetzelfde zijn.
Buurman
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Dat is ook logisch, het zijn meningen.
Larry Perkins
Posts: 54.137
Is pas grappig als het niet anoniem gebeurt...
StevenQ
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Lewis eist een hertelling
Rimmer
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Gaat niet door. Schijnt dat Toto bij Lewis heeft aangedrongen op het laten vallen van dat verzoek.
Dick de Cock
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Lewis is de meest sportieve sportman die er is en daarom is Max nu kampioen.
Koester deze sportman....
WC MAX
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Volgens mij is Max kampioen doorat hij ma 22 races de meeste punten had.
Daarnaast is Max niet kampioen dankzij Lewis, maar ondanks Lewis.
SennaS
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Dankzij Masi?
schwantz34
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Ik had Max geheel toevallig ook op #1 staan.
ROYALERE
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Max is Max. dus die hoort sowieso op 1. al de afgelopen 3 jaar vind ik. Daarentegen had ik voor Sainz gestemd op 1. Dat is een degelijke ''duitser''. en als die naast Max had gereden dit jaar dan was het in Brazilie al beslist geweest.
Dick de Cock
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@Roy
Sainz is wat mij betreft echt ondergewaardeerd.
In 2015 was hij een goede tegenstander van Max en de jaren daarna bij verschillende teams heeft hij bijzonder goed gepresteerd en nu ook Leclerc verslagen.
Sainz is een heel goed coureur en ik vind hem ook nog eens erg sympathiek in tegenstelling tot zijn vader,maar dat terzijde.
Mocht Ferrari een dijk van een wagen neerzetten in '22,dan zou ik mijn geld echt op Sainz zetten.
sailor
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Dit seizoen
1: Verstappen
2: Hamilton
3:Norris
De beste ooit.
1: Hamilton
2:Senna
3:Alonso/Verstappen
Mugello
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0. JIM CLARK
;)
snailer
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Ja. Ik vergeet altijd Clark die ik wel degelijk heb zien rijden op de tv.
Maar ik vind echt dat Prost er ook tussen hoort. En natuurlijk Schumacher
En hoewel een Verstappen fan moet Verstappen zich op de lange termijn nog gaan bewijzen natuurlijk. Blijft zijn instelling het zelfde als tot nu toe bijvoorbeeld. De wil om te winnen zeg maar. Die mentalitiet van de grote rijders.
StevenQ
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Hamilton de beste ooit en beter dan Schumacher?
Hij had denk ik vooral het geluk op het juiste moment bij Mercedes te komen, als hij niet naar Mercedes was gegaan was Nico Rosberg nu 6 voudig kampioen denk ik zo dominant was die auto.
Speedpuppet
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Bedankt Sailor, heb flink moeten lachen om je 2e lijstje:)
WC MAX
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Hamilton boven Senna? Mijn hart slaat over.
SennaS
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Sailor,
Eerste lijst klopt (alhoewel ik Lewis de laatste 5 races superieur vond aan Max)
Tweede liijstje.
1. Senna
2. Hamilton
3 Schumacher
Der rest om het even
Mugello
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Als Fangio niet was geboren, had Moss tenminste een titel...
schwantz34
Posts: 38.893
Als Hamilton niet was geboren, was Max ook al meervoudig kampioen geweest ;)